Comments on: Adam and the Fall – Part 1 http://www.reproachofmen.org/blog/2008/12/adam-and-the-fall-part-1/ But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. Psalm 22:6 Fri, 09 Jul 2010 04:22:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Aaron http://www.reproachofmen.org/blog/2008/12/adam-and-the-fall-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1265 Aaron Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:24:00 +0000 http://reproachofmen.org/blog/?p=363#comment-1265 You said, For what purpose they never say, nor can they say what Adam’s fall accomplishes for the LORD God. In fact, Calvin in his Commentary on Genesis completely skips over this question and avoids it. Neither does Calvin adequately explain the reason for the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. [↩] Aaron: It was a test for man. No reason not to be loyal to God. He had everything. No reason to disobey him; no reason to doubt His word; no reason to resent His sovereignty. Man, when he sinned, was truly inexcusable. And he already knew good; that's all he knew. Because everything was very good. But if he disobeyed, he would know evil. Because that is what evil is: Disobedience. It was the act of obedience that experientially showed you what evil was and catapulted man into death. As soon as he disobeyed, he would die. He would die spiritually at that moment. He would be sentenced to eternal death at that moment, and he would begin to decay toward death physically at that moment. And we know the sad story. For Adam to sin against God, he would need the desire to do evil. That desire to do so, only comes from a sin nature, which Adam does not have. It is impossible for a human being to make a choice without having a desire for that choice. Can’t happen. That is like making a choice for no reason. No desire, No choice. To be created in God’s image meant, among other things, that we were to mirror and reflect God’s character. Adam was created with this character and does not have a sin nature. So how can Adam make a choice to do evil without having the desire for evil? You said,

For what purpose they never say, nor can they say what Adam’s fall accomplishes for the LORD God. In fact, Calvin in his Commentary on Genesis completely skips over this question and avoids it. Neither does Calvin adequately explain the reason for the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. [↩]

Aaron: It was a test for man. No reason not to be loyal to God. He had everything. No reason to disobey him; no reason to doubt His word; no reason to resent His sovereignty. Man, when he sinned, was truly inexcusable. And he already knew good; that’s all he knew. Because everything was very good. But if he disobeyed, he would know evil. Because that is what evil is: Disobedience. It was the act of obedience that experientially showed you what evil was and catapulted man into death. As soon as he disobeyed, he would die. He would die spiritually at that moment. He would be sentenced to eternal death at that moment, and he would begin to decay toward death physically at that moment. And we know the sad story.

For Adam to sin against God, he would need the desire to do evil. That desire to do so, only comes from a sin nature, which Adam does not have.

It is impossible for a human being to make a choice without having a desire for that choice. Can’t happen. That is like making a choice for no reason. No desire, No choice.

To be created in God’s image meant, among other things, that we were to mirror and reflect God’s character. Adam was created with this character and does not have a sin nature. So how can Adam make a choice to do evil without having the desire for evil?

]]> By: Aaron http://www.reproachofmen.org/blog/2008/12/adam-and-the-fall-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1261 Aaron Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:11:17 +0000 http://reproachofmen.org/blog/?p=363#comment-1261 To be created in God's image meant, among other things, that we were to mirror and reflect God's character. Adam was created with this character and does not have a sin nature. So how can Adam make a choice to do evil without having the desire for evil? To be created in God’s image meant, among other things, that we were to mirror and reflect God’s character. Adam was created with this character and does not have a sin nature. So how can Adam make a choice to do evil without having the desire for evil?

]]> By: Aaron http://www.reproachofmen.org/blog/2008/12/adam-and-the-fall-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1260 Aaron Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:56:54 +0000 http://reproachofmen.org/blog/?p=363#comment-1260 Yea, Adam was born perfect spiritually and physically without sin. I see what your trying to say, but rebellion is sin. It is evil. For Adam to sin against God, he would need the desire to do evil. That desire to do so, only comes from a sin nature, which Adam does not have. It is impossible for a human being to make a choice without having a desire for that choice. Can't happen. That is like making a choice for no reason. No desire, No choice. Yea, Adam was born perfect spiritually and physically without sin. I see what your trying to say, but rebellion is sin. It is evil. For Adam to sin against God, he would need the desire to do evil. That desire to do so, only comes from a sin nature, which Adam does not have.

It is impossible for a human being to make a choice without having a desire for that choice. Can’t happen. That is like making a choice for no reason. No desire, No choice.

]]> By: Paul http://www.reproachofmen.org/blog/2008/12/adam-and-the-fall-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1257 Paul Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:37:22 +0000 http://reproachofmen.org/blog/?p=363#comment-1257 A couple of things to remember, and I am not being trite, as the distinction is critical; Adam was not born, but created by direct creation as a fully mature man, with better cognitive processes than we have. Second, which I will address more fully in the continuation; Adam did not, and could not see what he did, or desired to do, as sin. The Scripture is quite express that Adam saw something else he desired, and to him, it had nothing to do with sin. A couple of things to remember, and I am not being trite, as the distinction is critical; Adam was not born, but created by direct creation as a fully mature man, with better cognitive processes than we have.

Second, which I will address more fully in the continuation; Adam did not, and could not see what he did, or desired to do, as sin. The Scripture is quite express that Adam saw something else he desired, and to him, it had nothing to do with sin.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.reproachofmen.org/blog/2008/12/adam-and-the-fall-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1255 Aaron Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:11:07 +0000 http://reproachofmen.org/blog/?p=363#comment-1255 Thank you for your commentary, I agree with most of it. Here is my question. Free Will is making choices that come from your desires. Adam was born with the ability not to sin. In creation Adam did not suffer from moral inability. Moral inability is the result after the fall. If Adam was born without sin(sin nature), how does Adam have the ability to make a sinful choice to rebell against God, when he was born without a sin nature( the desire to do so)? Basicly you are saying that Adam made a choice with a desire he was not born with. Thank you for your commentary, I agree with most of it. Here is my question. Free Will is making choices that come from your desires. Adam was born with the ability not to sin. In creation Adam did not suffer from moral inability. Moral inability is the result after the fall. If Adam was born without sin(sin nature), how does Adam have the ability to make a sinful choice to rebell against God, when he was born without a sin nature( the desire to do so)? Basicly you are saying that Adam made a choice with a desire he was not born with.

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